who in an instant brought his childhood to an end. >> has he ever asked for your forgiveness? >> no. >> the family speaking out to remind the country we can't forget. we can't become desensitized. >> we are tired of people saying you're in theymy thoughts and prayers. we need to get out of your thoughts and prayers and get into your actions. >> if not for their sake, they say, for the next child harmed by gun violence in america. >> it's still a miracle he's aloif. that's it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. the nypd, secret service, a small army of lawyers and the more than 500 new yorkers who were told to report to jury duty on monday are set to play a part in history.

the first ever criminal trial of an ex-american president dth in the next six to eight weeks will be thrust into a role he spent his entire life trying to avoid. that of a criminal defendant on trial. potentially inching closer and closer and closer to the one thing he fears most. >> he says no matter how he's bragging and going on and on about him not being afraid, he goes to bed every night thinking about the sound of that jail cell door closing behind him. >> that's a sound byte that will live forever, compounding that specific fear was told to us by his friend chris christie as he sits at the defense table. the ex-president will have to watch many of his closest aids and former advisers and employees lay out in pain staking detail for a jury of 12 what prosecutors allege is an

illegal scheme to cover-up hush money payments in order to hide damaging information from becoming public and being known by voters. this is what judge will tell potential jurors monday. the allegations are in substance that donald trump falsified business records to con an agreement with others to unlawfully influence the 2016 presidential election. now much of the evidence in this case is already known to us in the public. there's the tape of trump talking to michael cohen about silencing karen mcdougal to suppress negative stories at himself. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that information regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it, when it comes to the time for the financing -- >> what first basing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash. >> no, no, no.

that's not how you do it. that's not how you silence someone before an election. and then there's stormy daniels. she's already come clean about the pressure she faced to stay silent. >> so you signed and released a statement that said i am not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money. i'm denying it because it never happened. that's a lie. >> yes. >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. the exact sentence used was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> and one of the key witnesses to all aspects of this, michael cohen, has already testified and exactly how the scheme works. here's what he told congress in 2019. >> mr. trump directed me to use my own personal funds from a home equity line of credit to avoid any money being traced

back to him that could negatively impact his campaign. the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> all of that as dramatic unprecedented as it is, could be the tip of the iceberg. michael cohen says we're going to be surprised by the strength of the evidence. he says, most people don't really know anything. they only know what the headlines have been. and as you know, very, very well, headlines do not necessarily tell the story. the country now on the verge of a water shed moment in american politics in the form of a criminal case against donald trump being laid out in a court of law. that's where we begin today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. all of them all the the table today. kate christa is here. she was a former assistant district attorney in new york

city. we have been relying on your reporting all week about the jury process. also from "the new york times" political reporter and msnbc contributor nick is here. the host of the podcast donny deutsche is back. and host of politics nation here on msnbc and the president of the national action network al sharp ton is here. earlier in the week, you had this great reporting about the process for selecting a jury. there's something so startling about the normalcy, but tell us what will happen on monday. >> that's exactly right. this is an unprecedented moment, but it's also so common. on monday morning, we're going to see hundreds of jurors report to the manhattan criminal courthouse. some will know exactly the reason they are coming. others might be surprised when they get there. they are all going to file in. they will be welcomed by the justice who will explain to them parts of the case. and it's going to be like any other case except that the former president will be sitting

feet away from them. he's going to describe to them the case and ask them point-blank right away, do they have any reason they can't be fair or impartial to the former president. i think that's when we're really going to see opinions start coming up and how this is very different from your traditional criminal case. >> in the context of politic, that question is asked to try to deduce someone is going to vote for. how is that asked in the context of selecting a fair juror? >> the fair and impartial question is initially politically motivated, but the way it's asked for jurors no matter what case it is, but in this case, it's likely going to elicit opinions that are directed to politics. but the way that the justice structured the jury selection process is that even if people don't initially flag that they can't be fair and impartial, there's many questions that come that can try to root that out.

and as we reported, the questions start out very simple. and slowly we will move into things that are much more pointed and much part getting at people's individual politics. there's certain things that won't be discussed. they are not going to at any point who they voted for in the past who are they plan to vote for or a person's political party registration, but they will ask have you attended a rally for donald trump. have you volunteered for donald trump or anyone that would be considered ain't to donald trump. so these questions will come up. i think through 42 questions that are in the jury questionnaire, they will gradually try to find jurors that can be fair and impartial. it's an imperfect system. any lawyer would say that. it really comes down to how truthful the jurors are as part of this. >> what will the prosecutors with looking for? >> i think through our reporting, we saw that the prosecutors have come out and

said they really believe they want a fair and impartial jury. i think they would certainly like to find people who are likely interested in the news, watch the news or into media consumption they are also going to likely try to find people who are high legitimate live educate ed. along the lines of people who would vote for the democratic candidate and conversely, trump's team, as we reported, is going to be looking for people that men, petty doll nantly, and trying to look for people who come from a working class background who maybe are civil servants like police officers, firefighters, sanitation workers, but they are also going to be trying to look for people who may have been felt they have been wronged in the past by the criminal justice system. donald trump has routinely said that this is a witch hunt. he's being persecuted by elected officials in new york city, and though many of the perspective

jurors cannot relate to that specifically, they may have in their life or a family member's life felt they have bye-bye wronged by the criminal justice sl. so trying to find people they can relate to on that front. >> that's exactly what they will be looking for. michael cohen is the fly in the oint the he doesn't become president and move to washington and write cover-up checks from the oval office he's the guy that takes out the home equity loan and sits in prison. >> he's very emboldened. . he was telling me that the brags people were coming up the next day. the amount of hours he's been prepping for this, on the one hand, he cannot wait to get back and get vindication. his life was ruined because of donald trump. of all things he did on his behalf, and he also is kind of worn down. he can't get out. he paid his dues, and still he's

paying lawyers fees and doing all these things. but he's ready to go. he knows he's going to get grilled, but he knows there's ration. is so he's ready to go. >> let me show folks. this is the lawyer that has a little visibility into how this case was put together. >> what other witness or witnesses do you think will most clearly corroborate his testimony? >> i'm going to answer your question according to public reports, because i was in the room with michael for two years while the prosecutors were preparing him. i can tell you there is another major crime that michael was forced to plead guilty to, even though he really had nothing to do with it other than papering it. that involved the national inquirer and somebody named david pecker. david pecker testified in front of the grand jury that he met, and that's the word federal prosecutors used, he met with

david pecker to do a cash and kill scheme with they pay off anyone with bad information before the election. >> so michael cohen has been in the public eye, but the national inquirer piece of this hasn't. remind folks what this is. >> baseically, a cash and kill is a bad story is going to come out, and you go to the publisher and offer up something in return to kill the story. and trump was friendly with david pecker. this story was killed. that's going to come out in this case. >> we should say it doesn't happen at "the new york times." this is not -- the judge has made clear as well in the instructions this is about cheating. that's a much simpler story. >> it kind of reminds me of al

capone on taxes. the crime alleged is something that i think even a lot of supporters of donald trump would not have trouble believing was happening. it's been corroborated in other context. the motive catch and kill. this is the means by which donald trump gets rid of problems. it attests to that. but beyond that, this trial has a feel of this season finale of "seinfeld," where everybody from "seinfeld"'s past comes to the jury box. it's going to be hope hix and cohen and they are all coming to say, this is actually how it works. >> and i want to show alvin bragg did a interview with you. he's not the right person for trump to rail against the way he rails against the doj and merrick garland and president biden. let me everyone your

conversation with al v-chip bragg. >> we're looking at the facts and the law and the facts as they develop. are we going to talk to witnesses and so we live in this world when they hear what this pundit says, but our focus is on the evidence and the law. whether it's democrat, republican, independent, former district attorney, we prosecuted an fbi agent, deputy mayor. >> so you have no fear of going after people with big titles even if they were president and you have no fear of not going. >> you follow the facts. it doesn't matter what party you are. what did you do and what does the law say? >> this is a very inconvenient nemesis. i say this with admiration. he's boringly legally. >> i will say very boring.

i have nobody him since he was running. he's a sunday schoolteacher. he's a home guy. he's straight dun the middle. we have our action network i'm coming, but i'm not going to talk about trump. but the other thing i think in listening to her that they are missing is that when al bragg's prosecutor stands up and says, people do get jammed by the system wrongly and let me give you an example, one guy was michael cohen. another person we have i just left our convention president biden spoke virally, and i said after he finished to his top aid, i want you to meet somebody. i had them stand occupy there. this kid was arraigned in the same sentence that donald trump will be going on trial monday. accused of raping with four

friends of his a white woman in central park and beating her. he was coerced into signing a confession at a teenage year in his life. he went to jail 13 years for something he didn't do. somebody in jail said they didn't do that. the dna matched and he got out. donald trump, who never took out any position on racial violence, bris plis brutality, took out ads in the newspaper saying those five boys ought to be executed. those five guys went to jail and sat in the same building donald trump will be sitting in monday. so the irony of that is that i almost hope they talk about victimization because they can can bring in how donald trump was on the side of people that were falsely accused michael cohen went to jail for something that donald trump has not been brought to justice.

so if that's their line of defense, they can start getting ready to take the van to rikers island now. >> it's such an important arc to draw. it's not just what we know about trump that stretches to the beginning of his political career. it's away we know about trump from his past life. what know is he showed up in washington so desperate of the justice department stacked against him that he literally fires>> jim comey the first month he's there. everything he did as president is almost a reaction or a mirror invers to the life he led before in politics. >> because this time he's going to come stacked with pure loyalist and vengeance and retribution. ask this is interesting. michael said this. he's worried if god forbid trump

gets reckless, he'll come after him again. but by the way, everybody in the justice department will be a trump lackey, period. so give a thought to that, what that looks like going forward. with the commander-in-chief free reign to point his gun figuratively anywhere he wants. >> what's their posture on this trial? >> their posture is always been the trump posture. he's being railroaded, unfairly treated. bragg is a partisan democrat. there's no case against him that is ever not the product of me lev lent forces of the justice department. it's never fair. it's never a fair fight. it's always the government, the deep state against donald trump. that's always been the narrative because that's the narrative that their audience expects and wants. there's always some exceptions, but overall, they have conformed the trump narrative in which law and order is for him.

not for other people. so law and order is social order with him coming out on top. >> people are going to be interested in what media the potential jurors consume. >> exactly. they are going to ask what potential media people watch if it they have had any family or anyone in law enforcement. but certainly, i think the times that i have sat on a donald trump voir dire before, the media part generally elicits a lot of very interesting responses. and especially at the paper, it's interesting that people don't get their news from traditional sources anymore. you start hearing everything that was said. i think one time during the e. jean carroll trial, one of the perspective jurors said something that made people think it was more of a right-leaning

podcast. those type of things are absolutely what the parties are are going to be looking out for and then further investigating once they get those responses. >> it's not going to be find to hard out if he's a fox person. who voted for who without asking. how does either a prosecutor or defense attorney get inside someone to say i know that person dun line up, but they can be objective. >> i think we are going to see that in action on monday that both sides will hear that people read or watch or listen to news in various different sources, and i think the justice has come to this conclusion that just because someone gets their news from one location or another doesn't prevent them from being fair and ill partial. i think it's the follow-up questions that are going to be asked after that. for instance, it's really interesting what the justice allows, but you say you watch x network, what tv show do you

watch. that kind of thing. but also after that question, there are dozens of other questions that they can continue to come back to and go into further detail. so if someone were to say they do get their news from fox, we will get a question further along that says, have you even subscribed to one of donald trump's lists. we'll get into determining someone's loyalty to either the former president or even against the former president depending on what that is. i think the justice has been very forthright that he is not going to allow them to go into political party, who they voted for, political campaign contributions, but i think he said the reason why he's not allowing those questions is because these other questions willly sate that kind of information. >> it's just a moment where it says more than it's ever said before. if you certainly post, no one is going anywhere. there's so much more for us. republican voters against trump. the group that is continuing

with its promise to highlight the dangers of electing him to office again. we'll talk to the head of that group on how the trial plays into her efforts. we'll show you some personal testimonies from two-time trump voter who is are now saying never again. plus the ex-president continues to lie about the results of the 2020 race he lost. today he's holding a so-called press conference on election integrity with an assist from the house speaker mike johnson to spread the same big lie that led to the deadly january 6th insurrection ahead of the 2024 election. and vice president kamala harris out in full force tonight in arizona on the restrictions being put on women's ability to access health care in that state and around the country. play leiing the blame at the feet of donald trump. we'll bring you those remark when is they happen. also joining us here in studio on that and what an, treatment supreme court could be planning next. all those stories and more when "deadline: white house"

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why do you think they squashed the story? >> back then or now? >> now. they didn't want to hurt him. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump. >> correct. >> so again, a jury is going to have to determine whether these things were done to impact how voters felt about donald trump ahead of the 2016 election.

there's another witness who was paid money to stay quiet. the story was killed. >> we haven't sat through the trial yet, but you see all the piece. you see all the players. you see all the moves. you kind of go, how is he going to be found anything but guilty? you can kind of see it playing out. and it's only going to get worse when things happen with live flesh and blood. so i just when you see the cast of characters and when you know the facts that we know already, forget whatever else there might be, you go, how is anybody on a jury going to look at this any other way. >> and our system, you're not saying anything other than this, the jury will make that determination, but a hallmark of trump is the things he's charged with aren't things he denies to. what's he going to say, no i didn't? >> it's part of his brand. he's run on it. he's run on, i don't pay taxes

because i beat the system. i'm too smart they can't get me. >> i stole the documents because when you're president you can. >> ha, ha, ha trump university. i got away with it. so guys who scam, they are proud of it. it's like they think they are smarter than the next goi. they are get wag with something. they live above everybody else. his entire life has kind of bragged about how he thumbs his nose at various constraints that most of us live within. >> the e. jean carroll, that was revealed. i'm not a lawyer, but his lawyers couldn't have thought it was a good thing that in his deposition he confused e. jean carroll and his ex-wife. the recent history proves what donny is saying. he's not a great witness to his own fact patterns. >> no, i think the political interview cohen said he thinks

trump wants you to think he wants to testify. but he did you want want to testify. and in fact, i think there's pretty much no example i can think of where he's got ton the point of having to really answer tough questions or he's performed very well on that question. and i also think as you saiden opt the show before, him being in a context where he can't lie, where he can't make things up, embellish, bulldoze, the tactics he uses to get through politics and campaigns, where he can't do that if he's on the stand, that must be horrifying to him. because those are tools of control and power that he's used all his life to make his way to gain wealth, to gain influence, to gain office. and to not have access to them is striking. it's kind of a final moment for him in a way. it's strange this is the case it's going to happen.

an audience of people who have been waiting to get his due, it's this case? this is the first one to duo. >>. >> anybody who thinks that, oh, this is good for donald trump buzz he looks like the victim and they arement coming after him, no. you're going to see a guy who is neutered sitting in that courtroom, who is powerless. and that flies in the face of everything he sold. >> and the evidence of that is there are three appeals this week. he lost all three of them. but if donald trump didn't agree with donny on this, there were three atempts to try to put off this trial. we have said that delay is the favored tactic here, not just in this case, but in all the cases. in this week, there were three attempts to try to push off the trial. they didn't agree to stay any of

them. those arguments will continue to be heard while we were undergoing this trial. so in addition, it's a coverage nightmare because we'll is be having people covering the day-to-day of the trial, but also these appeals. it reminds me of the civil fraud trial we just experienced where there were continuous appeals as the positions of going. and i imagine we'll continue to see that as this trial unfolds. >> trump always does a volume business of chaos. that's how he gets his way in and out of things. what do you think we should gerd ourselves for? >> he's a very different position now. because this is the first time not only have we had a former president on trial. it's the first time he's on a criminal trial. he's locked in that chair all day. it's very difficult to try to tell your lawyers, because he operates like he's his best lawyer, there's no better liar in the world than me, i'm going

tole you how to do this lie, hen can't focus on that and on organizing chaos outside. he has to really be careful how he organizes chaos given january 6th because he doesn't know if he's organizing guys that are going to end up testifying against him. the biggest problem he's going to have on the next point about the status after me is the people that we know that maybe the witnesses here are people he introduced the world to. we never heard of michael cohen. he delivered michael cohen. we never heard of the -- none of them. so are you telling me the deep state knew ten years ago you were going to be running for president and planted michael cohen or planted the porn star there no jury is going to believe that. these are your people. these are the people that you dealt with. how do you make a victim out of you and michael cohen went to

jail? if you're saying he only lied to get something done, why did he do two years in jail? it's hard for him to sell this one. these are your buddies. these are ladies you knew and you have to sit there eight hours and you may get an hour for lunch and you can't orchestrate a rebellion outside because you're in there for the first time with somebody saying, sit in your seat. >> it's amazing. we really can't emphasize enough. we have never done this before as a country. how long do you think jury selection takes? >> that's such a great question. that's the question on everybody's mind. i think it's at least going to take two weeks. i think we're also running into the passover holiday. there's other complications that might arise during jury selection, but i think it's going to take at least two weeks. getting through hundreds of jurors with the same 42 questions and as we mentioned, this is an anonymous jury to the

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but politically speaking, it's something trump has been worried about for a long time and worth exploring. what could happen should trump be found guilty in this case n this trial set to start monday in the state of new york. joining our donny and al are still here. what do you think about those questions? >> i think that when it comes to it's so interesting. in the primary when donald trump, all of his legal problems happened, that helped him. that helped to just rally around the trump effect. now going into the general election, he's got to move and attract a different type of voter. and those are the kinds of voters who do not want their president to be a convicted felon. now one of things that's been helping trump is that the shear volume of his legal troubles create this phenomenon where

voters kind of feel like it's white noise like they can't tell one court case from another and each of the court cases have all these mini dramas associated with them. then there's the civil trials. so it's all very complicated for an average person to follow. but as we get into individual cases, then the public has to sort of tune in and start to make sense of each case individually. now republicans, i think, are glad this is the case that's going first because they are going to have the whole right wing ecosystem ramped up to say porn star, this is a witch hunt. but i think the extent to which a real conviction that's handed down about passing bad checks, or doing this sort of business fraud, any time somebody is a convicted felon, it's not going to impact a huge number of

voters because a lot of trump supporters did, but it can impact that critical margin right now of voters that we kind of call the double haters. a lot of those voters are trying to figure out who do i dislike more. and i think that having somebody convicted of a felony who was your president, i think that's one of things that could push some people over the edge. >> chris christie's campaign during the primaries had some polling that suggested that in a general election being a convicted felon is no good. and to that point, no one has run against trump or has put a message before the country that says this is the only trial that's going to happen. merrick garland was too slow. jack smith didn't have enough time. it's about cheating. so whatever happens, he's either going to be found cheated in a criminal way or not. >> one of the most recent major

polls, if he gets convicted, they would not vote for him. that's a huge swath is. that's a big deal. the other thing that's going to happen if he gets convicted is trump has always run on being a winner. if you really think about the last six elections that he's been attached to, he's lost, he keeps losing every one of these to throw it out. he's lost the civil case. and america likes a winner. and you not only do you come out a convicted felon, you come out a loser, which is different than donald trump has always been. everything is about winning. so you're a convicted felon. you're a loser. i think that sticks. i think people vote for what affects them. do i want a president who is going to be fighting and pardoning and this and appeals and who is going to be watching the store. you put all those things together and it does have a real effect. >> i also think i have never i

know this is the conventional wisdom that this case is the weak ensest. this is the trumpiest. and trump's running on the facts and the two criminal cases. . he's running on what he's charged with in the election interference case he's honoring the insurrectionists at his rallies. he's running on being able to because of the presidential records act take whatever he pleases he's not running on having sex with a porn star while married. he doesn't else brace and run on that. >> and it's very difficult for him to explain this because if he wasn't running for president, this is where the election interference becomes a problem. if he wasn't running for president, donald trump would have laughed and went on a show on somebody and bragged about, yeah, i got women, i got girls. this is what he does. the only reason he would do that is because he was running for president. which is election interference. and then you deal with the dates

of the payoffs. you deal with all of this. then a jury is sitting there saying this doesn't make sense. so then going to your question of the election, now i'm sitting in middle america and there are we're talking about it he's convicted we're not talking about when the dnc and others start running commercials. are you telling your kid that it doesn't matter that you're a felon, you can be presidents of the united states. when you start really colting out and get a guy like donny to cut your commercials, now i'm thinking about doo i really want to send that message to my daughters or my grandson that doesn't matter what you do, you can be president of the united states. he's convicted of doing this now. >> think about messages over the next six weeks. so that takes us through mid-june. between now and then, you're going to see two messaging. the only messaging from trump,

they are out to get me he's mot going to be able to campaign in the way he wants. and you'll see on the other side biden saying he killed roe v. wade. the insurrection, the economy is great, but this takes us almost a month away from the conventions. this is going to be a large swath of the communication universe that no matter what he does, he will be defined over the next six weeks as someone trying to be convicted of a crime. >> i want to talk about that on the other side of the break. this gets back to the political climate that trump doesn't have agency in terms of driving the conversation. he will be on trial. joe biden has more pressure, but he has more agency over where the conversation goes. we're going to be right back. we'll hear from some two-time trump voter who is have had enough. we'll hear what issues get them to the breaking point with him. that's next. to the breaking point with him that's next.

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my name is brenda. i am from arizona. i voted for donald trump in 2016 and 2020. i will had not be with voting for him in 2024. i'm very, very scared that he will spend most of the time in the justice department going after his enemies. i just don't trust him. donald trump seems to have a love affair with putin.

i don't quite understand it. with our nato allies being upset with the aggressive nature of putin. trump has been disparaging of our veterans. my father served, and anyone that disparages our veterans, disparages john mccain that was in a prisoner of war camp, calling them losers, that is not patriotic. >> that's a two-time trump voter from arizona. her video is being put out by the republican voters against trump. it's so hard to put anything in order of horror, but i have always been most horrified by some of the things he said about active duty military and veterans. that he said suckers and losers, that he didn't want to be around anyone injued serving their country that when a wounded veteran showed up, he wanted him moved because hfs distasteful. and i wondered how resonant that

message was. >> it's extraordinarily resonant when voters have heard about it. one of the negative functions of our media silos and there are many negative repercussions of that, but so much of what trump says isn't heard by his audience. it just doesn't get to them. but this is one of the reasons -- i think we talked about this on your show last time, that people like general kelly and>> jim mattis, need to speak out. when republican voters do understand that trump was saying these things, and i believe many of those quotes come from general kelly, who heard trump saying these and was so horrified by them that he began telling the press about some of the things he heard, it has an enormous impact on voters. so you have to say it loudly enough and repeatedly enough that it really does breakthrough with voters. one of the things we hear in

these test moen y'alls we're getting from these trump voter who is are refusing to vote, their reasoning tends to be things like i heard they was disparaging the military or they were attacking cops on january 6th and trump didn't care about those cops. or trump refused to accept the peaceful transfer of power. a lot of these voters are, especially the older voters, people often times think of older republicans as some of the trumpier demographic, but there's a big chunk of that demographic, those are reagan voters. those are mitt romney voters. they remember the republican party as something different. so those tend to be the ones who are sort of at their wits end with donald trump. and we are just getting a lot of testimonials from folks who trump's flirtations with poout skpn his unwillingness to stand with ukraine, those are things they find very animating and why they don't think they can vote

for him again if 2024. >> have you reached out to those folks to general kelly or secretary mattis? >> i certainly say as often as i can on as many public stations such as this that they should speak out. and i am finding every way possible. i did a "new york times" editorial in which i outlined all of the things that trump's cabinet officials have said in the past and encouraged them to speak out more in the future. so i am doing as much as i can. there's a lot of people who want the to hear from them. i have seen public statements from sol of those folks suggesting that they think their voices don't matter. i want to say this really clearly. just in case they are watching, your voices matter enormously. you defended democracy overseas often as a military official. you asked young people to defend this country. now is a moment to defend

democracy. one of the things i think about when i see these testimonials from these people is how brave they are. they move in communities where there's lots of trump voters. it they can make these video testimonials and state clearly that trump's disrespect for the military is what makes them unwilling to vote for him, then i think some of these public officials can do the same thing and to these marginal swing voters we were talking about who care about things like not having a convicted felon, those are the same veerts that would find it colt pelting to hear from people who worked a long side trump saying this person is unacceptable. they cannot lead our country again. that's powerful. and i hope they will speak up as this campaign goes along. >> i have been begging the four generals it's not just the cabinet members. it's the four generals. it they come out, how do you question them? notment colting out and saying he's disparaging the military, but we are worried what will. happen if he's president.

we're worried about this country. >> let me give you their answer why not. i use every platform i have access to to implore them to -- they saw something and i think saying something is absolutely necessary. the difference between normal times when they are loathed to even put a toe in politics is that trump's plans for a second term involved turning the u.s. military against the american people. that's what hes to do. >> it's there on the line. the same way judges have to speak. what they do for a living will be on the line. that's why the media has to speak and justice officials have to speak. everything that they do, forget the country. what you stand for, by the way, the supreme court is not going to have the power it had if donald trump had his way. so every institution, but the most important are those military guys. i really believe if you have

that messaging, give me a camera, those four guys, and i point it at them. that would win the election. >> i believe he's absolutely right. and i think that you may see some of that come to pass. i think that when they are convinced that they maybe the only thing between this country turning into a fascist country and that this guy donald trump would use the military against the american people,obligated. they put their life on the line and face danger. i don't think they could live with themselves if they knew they could step in between that and stop that. i think we are on the verge of having to make that decision. >> sara, you get the last word. >> i think again, we have hundreds of these testimonials from just regular people talking about why they can't support

donald trump. and it's things like january 6th . it's the way he talks about women, he has 90 plus indictments, and if average trump voters can put themselves on the line, like to think that members of the senate and the house and the military ask people who know what we are up against, i hope they will speak out and not let just these average people do it. >> i have to say. i had had jim bolton. he can't make that full turn to doing the thing that is dire. i think the other thing -- >> why can't he make the full turn? >> we talked about prohibition structures. you have that persuasion. i think these people help get some the sort of calcified pockets of the electorate to make that full turn. >> i keep preaching on this show. forget what he's done.

i had lunch with a friend. and i was explaining the things that trump would do. we have documented on it. he says, really? >> we have to give them time. >> we didn't freak out today. >> sarah, your work is so specific and thoughtful and smart. thank you so much for being here. rev, thank you for being here. you're an expert on all things. up next for us, months before the first vote has even been cast in the next presidential election, trump and the speaker of the house were together today laying the groundwork to question the integrity of the 2024 election. we'll be joined by congressman schiff, former capital police officer harry dunn, when we come back after a very short break. don't go anywhere today. fter a . don't go anywhere today. cised. i couldn't even enjoy playing with my kids. i leaked too. i just assumed it was normal.

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the story of mike johnson is the story of a collaborator and of someone who knew then and knows now that what he's doing and saying is wrong, but he's willing to do it in an effort to please donald trump. that's what makes dangerous. >> the speaker of the house is a collaborator to overthrow the last election? >> absolutely. >> hi, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. as we come on the air, the man who in liz cheney's words was a collaborator to the last effort to overturn the election speaker mike johnson is this afternoon reuniting with the disgraced ex-president of the united states for election integrity. you heard that right. two of the primary enengineers of the last kill attempt is giving us an official and public event to mark the newest republican campaign to sew doubt about the results of the 2024

presidential election. which is more thannen seven months away. their stunt is more than a dangerous pseudo event. it's part of an insidious campaign to incite doubt and distrust in our election process as well as in the people who administer our elections. and that's why we're covering it. today's announcement is expected to deal with how our country treats votes illegally. news flash, we had laws to deal with people in the country else legally had who vote. just ask bill barr. so what's today really about? well, we think it's trump's are you listening moment. except this time, it's, mike, are you following my lead it started in earnest today in mar-a-lago, with the arooil of the speaker of the house there. nothing less than the fate of

our democracy is on the line this time. for his part speaker johnson made this pilgrimage to kiss the ring of donald trump in a desperate attempt to hold on to the speakership for the country. the rest of us today is the match lying event where trump standing side by side was one of the key figures of institutional republican power, his effort to distort despite knowing full well there was no fraud in 2020. >> i did. many times. >> attorney general barr made a public announcement less than a month he had seen.

s . >> as the president went through them, i went piece by piece to say, no, that's false. that's not true. and to correct him really in a serial fashion as he moved from one theory to another. >> i don't know why you have a side because you should the to have an accurate election. and you're a republican. >> we believe we do have an accurate election. >> i was in the oval office. he was the lead data person brought on. he delivered to the president present blunt materials that he was going to lose. >> this was a mountain of evidence that the election was

fair and free and the most secure presidential election in our country's history. but after today, donald trump and mike johnson will have shown us who they are and the question for us is who covered him, those who have to live through this presidential election ahead of us, the question for us is what do we do? how do we respond? and can we give the lies about election integrity a run for their money with a straight shot of the truth. we're going to try. it's where we start. congressman adam schiff is here. a former member of the january 6th select committee as well. former capital police officer and maryland congress thal candidate harry dunn is back. and the founder of democracy is back. we start with you. what are your thoughts as you see this spectacle that's running a little behind, but expected to take place in mar-a-lago today?

>> january 6th began well before that last presidential election. the road to january 6ths was paved with these lies that began months ahead of time as donald trump was essentially laying the foundation to challenge the upcoming election by saying that it was going to be plagued with fraud. millions of undocumented people could be voting, that ballots cast by mail will be fraudulent all of thises was a total lie, but it is what laid the seed in american public opinion for his challenge after he lost the election. flash forward to today, he's doing the same thing, but the stakes are so much higher. the stakes for trump are higher the stakes r for the country are higher. the stakes are higher for him because the only thing that may end upkeeping him out of jail in his view is can he get himself back in a position of power to thwart these prosecutions. so for him, this could be life or death, jail or no jail. for the country, if he was

willing to go to the length of inciting a violent attack to try to overturn the last election, you can imagine the lengths he would go on the next one. this will be a pivotal moment in our history. it will be determinative of what kind of democracy, if a democracy we have going forward. >> the speaker is a collaborator and architect? do you see him that way? what do you make of his pill grimmage? >> i do. at one level, you might think johnson needs to capitulate to trump because he needs trump's help to maintain his speakership. so you can say he's ready to capitulate, but as you were pointing out at the outset, this

is not a sacrifice for mike johnson. he was one of the election deniers the last time around. his real conviction is the ends always justify the means. the ends justify. that's a trump presidency justifies any means, including lying about the election. it's retention of the speakership. it enough justifies any means necessary. so this suits poet of their interests. it's not a leap of faith for mike john so. it's a consistent attack on our elections in the headline pursuit of power. >> congressman, basil said he was traveling to the scene of the other crimes. classified documents, is some of the nation's most sensitive secrets were stashed in bathrooms and other places.

that the fact that this time now there's a press event to talk about it. it's all happening in full view. what should concern all of us about that? >> that evidence that you pointed to that we brought out on the january 6th committee when trump is on the phone and he's going through the false claims of traud and they are saying that's not true.

>> it was among the most damning tail light because it was a direct insight into donald trump's mind. that's just lie, leave the rest to us. i know i can count on the republicans in congress to do what i want to cave to implement my will. and with speaker johnson heading down there, the second time a speaker went to kiss the ring, we have a very public affirmation once again. the republicans in congress will do whatever donald trump wants. notwithstanding his put many presidential indictments, notwithstanding his evidence of guilt, not returning to the scene of the crime or one of the crimes, they will do his will bauds at the end of the day, and this is sadly i think what we learned in the last six or eight years for this gop leadership under this donald trump, nothing matters, not principle, not

morality, not right, not wrong, not constitution, power is all that matters. >> congressman, thank you for starting us off this hour. it's great to see you. >> thank you. mark, i want to turn to you. and i want to turn to your earliest warnings. i think the first time we started having these conversations was maybe in the transition when the big lies was being used as an engine to suppress the vote. the balls in 2020, but where even relatively speaking, decent actors, ended up being part of a voter suppression legislation that passed there. what do we do now that the efforts to sew distrust in the 2024 result are out in the open. i understand others have been covering this event like it's a normal presidential campaign event, with a normal appearance by a normal speaker.

it's none of those things. what should we be doing today? >> so first of all, i think we need to be doing what you're doing, which is to make clear that this is not normal. just add one thing to mike johnson. i wrote about this the week that he became speaker. there's no federal elected official who bears more responsibility other than donald trump than mike johnson for the destruction that we saw to democracy on january 6th. he was the ring leader of rallying the republicans in the house to both support the big lie in court and then on the morning of january 6th. so it is beyond saying that he is part of the gang who is gleefully doing this. he was one of the ring leaders. but to your broader point, the fact is that in the past seven days, we have seen articles from all different news outlets about

how the republican national committee is recruiting conspiracyists. the republican national committee is sending out robocalls on behalf of laura trump saying that 2020 was stole. articles wired saying that there's a network of right wing organizations that are going to, quote, disrupt the 2020 election. and i worry that with few and far between, you yourself being the chief among them, much of the mainstream media treats this as kind of what the republicans do. it is completely not acceptable. it's completely not normal. and we need to call it out. i can fight in court every day, but if we normalize this and accept this as the accepted behavior of one of the two political parties, we're in for a rough ride this fall. >> one of the things we have come together and talked about is the desperate and urgent need of accountability for the people who laid their bodies between

the trump supporters and the republicans and democrats who work inside the united states capital. and you didn't ask any of the insurrectionists are you colting for a democrat or republican. you protected the men and women who work in that building and their staffs as though their lives depended on it. in some instances, people the paid with their lives and their mental health. and i think what we see today is one of the long tale of a lack of accountability. and there's people that are smarter than me that can explain why the federal cases didn't move faster and were susceptible to a delay from the supreme court. but i don't know that there's any world in which they were held accountable for what they did on january 6th. how does this sit with you today? >> first of all, it's good tb on with you. let's think about this is and take a step back and let's look at the enablers in congress that

allow it to get to this point county.com, while the night of january 6th and steve scalise, they condoned donald trump and blamed him for what happened and then shortly after they pivoted and turned and kissed the ring. that's what's happening with mike johnson right now. the senate led by mitch mcconnell had the opportunity to take the court out of this equation right now. we still want accountability in the court system, but the fact that he's still on the ballot lays solely at the feet of mitch mcconnell it's your fault that donald trump is still on the ballot now. you knew donald trump was wrong, and is what he did and he was responsible for january 6th. and yet you voted to acquit him in the impeachment trial that was laid before the senate. and we cannot lose sight of that. and the pilgrimage to mar-a-lago

that mike johnson is doing to talk about election integrity with a guy that was begging for just give me 11,780 votes, the nerve to talk about election integrity, mike johnson is only going there because marjorie taylor greene has formed to remove him as speaker. he's doing everything he can to save his speakership right now. and donald trump only cares about himself right now. >> what should president biden and kamala harris say to the country about the issue of voting rights and about the issue of pushing back against republican efforts in the states to make it harder to vote? >> i think that the president has spoken eloquently about this over and over again. so i don't think our problem is that president biden and vice president harris are not speaking out. the question is whether or not the rest of us are speaking out. the question is whether or not civic leaders are speaking out.

we are approaching the three-year anniversary of corporate america taking out an ad in "the new york times" and "the washington post" saying that they stand for voting rights. they would use their corporate power in the wake of georgia passing its voter suppression bill in texas and at that points it was about to pass the bill. corporate america said they were going to beers in the protection of voting rights. where are those leaders? they are hiding from mahmoud maga. they have been cowards. too much of civil society is not speaking out about the crisises of democracy. so it's eases sit to point to the president. it's easy to point to the vice president. i think they do speak out on this. i think there are civic leaders who have real credibility, whether it's corporate leaders or people in our community who just need to find half of the courage that harry dunn has. a quarter of the courage that

liz cheney has. an eighth of the courage that you have every day on tv in many the calling this out. where are they? i think that's one of the great cises and great tragedies of this time in our nation's history. >> i'm honored to be put in a category with harry dunn. tell me how the campaign is shaping up. law enforcement and generals are revered voices in our communities. and trump is now celebrating his role and standing alongside the insurrectionist who beat cops with flag poles and sprayed them with chemical irritants. tell me how that sits with you. >> thank you for your kind words. and i'm just glad to be here. but also, how is the campaign going, check out everything. but it's so important at this

moment right now to have truth tellers and fighters in congress. because there are groups that are backing trump that include police unions. how could somebody watch what happens as a police officer and then go back and support donald trump. it's mind boggling, but that's why it's important to continue. i really appreciate what mark is doing. he's fighting for democracy. democracy is on the ballot. we all need to be as strong as mark. democracy is not a spectator sport. everybody has a role to play. whether it's to take the insane leap of faith that i'm doing and running for congress or whether it's getting involved in your local elections, becoming a poll worker, just being educated about the candidates on the ballot, we have a role to play. we can't depend on these

institutions to save us. look at the supreme court. there are individuals who have pled guilty that have served their completed sentences from january 6th. and they are out -- they have completed their sentences and we are still litigating if the former president can be held accountable. not if, but if he can be held accountable. three years later after individuals have already completed their sentence. they are only as strong as the individuals that occupy them. that's why it's up to all of us in america americans to do our part now. and that's one of the reasons i'm running for congress. >> harry dunn, the only people i wanted to talk to about this. thank you for starting us off. when we come back, it's been a week. i'm going to stop there. it's been a week. it's also been a week that has shown us how draconian life in

post roe is. conservatives on the united states supreme court aren't done. they are talking about taking more rights away. an lgbtq rights activist will be here. he's a former teacher and dad. that's next. and we are just a few minutes away from vice president kamala harris taking the stage in arizona to make clear that it is donald trump who is to blame for that state's civil war era ban on abortion. we'll bring you the vice president's remark when is they begin. and tomorrow michael cohen will join the weekend in an exclusive live interview previewing the trial against trump as a key witness ahead of jury selection monday. watch the weekend tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. after a quick. don't go anywhere.

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this week we witnessed some of the most draconian and chilling examples of the republican-led assault that the supreme court unleashed when it overturned decades of precedent protecting the right to an worgs. it could be the tip of the iceberg of what this supreme court could bring. the ruling that overturned roe v. wade, justice thomas explicitly pushed the court to revisit and correct the error on other precedents. causes related to due process, equal protections and fundamental rights to privacy in the bedroom, marriage equality, same sex relationships and the right to choose and have a access to contraception. joining our conversation is pete

buttigieg's husband. talking about bridges and other things, which we're not going to talk about today. i feel like as parents of young kids, some of what we connect on is how to you make sure that the world isn't overrun by the haters or i don't think there are more of them, but sometimes they are louder. i want to start here. you go to places and saying i see you seems to lift up entire communities that have dealt with tragedy and feeling like does anyone see me. i wonder how that feels. does it feel like it builds on itself or does it feel like the bad guys are winning? >> there's really good stuff happening out there. that's why i take my book to red and purple the states because i was that kid.

i wrote this book, so when i was growing up, i didn't know there were gay people. i thought i was the only one. so the part of thing i love about going out on the road and talking with teachers and families and students is to be able to say i see you and it's okay. there are tons of people who have your back, but if it dwrou you spend a lot of time on social media, you might think the bad guys are winning. but social media, especially some platforms like twitter, as a very small portion of the united states of america. a lot of people have jobs to do, families to raise. they are not spending their time beating other people up on social media. they are just going about their lives. so i like to be that person that comes in the room and says it's going to be okay. there are other people that have your back. >> part of where the distortion field can overtake that reality, and i agree with you, is you now have one party putting politics

and policies behind the hate and the intolerance. that feels like thot a bug or a blip, but a feature. >> we fwheed to pay attention to than some of these figures, sol of these voices aren't just rogue conservative figures. these are people being invited to dine at mar-a-lago. they are cozying up to people like this, elevating them ask sometimes funding them to make sure that hate is elevated. and it's a vicious cycle, a lot of folks on the hill are doing good work, but there are some people who are there that are more interested in podcasting or posting online. they go on the floor of the house and say something really mean and clip it and put it in an e-mail. there are good people in washington doing good things. but we should focus as well on the fact that the republican party is embraing violent political rhetoric. and i know for a fact that if i were to name some of those people right now, i would have

death threats on my phone by the time i got back to my hotel. >> what's that like? >> that's rough. because i have always viewed politics as the vehicle that makes people's lives better. and safer. that's why we have politicians and folks in washington so that we can focus on raising our kids and doing the things we love. their job is to make our lives better and safer. now that i'm a dad, i'm squarely focused on making sure i keep my kids safe. so being in the public eye, awe but wanting to do right by my kids is a tight rope to walk. it's scary at times. but it also makes me want the to keep stucking my head out and speaking up for other people. because in a way, got to grow up and become this person i wish i would have had. some of us have to think about how to use that plat tomorrow and lift other people up. >> i see some of the threats

that you and pete face, and i think he's the one wlg to go on fox. i always think what is that about. >> when it comes to our family, it's scary to some folks. some are opposed to lgbtq rights and equality and marriage equality. sometimes they won't come out and say it. look at speaker mike johnson has a long track record of being a homophobic. there are people who are opposed to our family, but they are also scared of it. because when you zoom out, any of them are welcome to colt over on a sunday and see what it's like. . we're just two parents going about our day. right now, it's starting at 6:00 a.m., which i wish was starting at later. but getting your up up and trying to make breakfast, put

them in the van, get them to school, come home, put dinner on the table and raise them to be open hearted ask kind and loving american citizens. >> to keep their hearts open. i know exactly what you're talking about. that tight rope. they are the engine and the amount you love your children is the thing that gethouse put yourself out there. i get some of those mean comments too. but they are the thing that fills your heart with terror. >> why wouldn't you want to scoop up your kids and get out of here. they are the most precious people in the world. some people have been coming after my kids since they were born. if i post a picture of my kids at the playground, they will be in my mentions. and again, like we talked about at the top, that isn't representative of every person this this country.

but it's sol of those major accounts lifting up those comments, being supported by donald trump, dining at mar-a-lago, being funded by the most extreme voices in conservative politics, that's something we have to pay attention to. and yeah, i want to protect them, but i want to make sure we get this moment right. >> one of the things that hangs over the moment like baited breath is the supreme court saying out loud that they are coming for other rights. america is living through this apocalyptic reality to health care being taken away after 50 years. but they are not done. they arement coing for the morning after pill they are coming for marriage equality. >> the writing is there on the wall. big bright red letters. we should be open eyed about this. when it comes to this election, this is the most consequential elections of our lifetimes. i'm tired of that phrase as well. i would love to have an election

that doesn't feel that way. but we have a choice. we get to make a choice. . when you pull that lever, you can either choose to move this country forward and protect many of those rights or make it worse. so that's why i'm focused on doing what i can do to make sure that we elect joe biden again this fall and keep him in the white house so families like mine, families like yours and even my daughter, i think about my daughter. she's almost 3 years old. i want her to have my rights than her parents do today. i want my daughter to be able to make her own choices about her own body. and right now, we have a very political court hijacked by some of the republicans who are blatantly saying that's what we will do. put us back in the white house and we'll take away those rights. >> it's so explicit. it's chilling to hear it that way. and it's a powerful message to the voters who are probably the only ones with agency with the

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we're back. we're waiting for kamala harris to begin her remarks. this isn't a drill. women of arizona in 11 more days will will revert back to a civil war era law where all abortions

are illegal unless the life of the mother is online. we know how challenging that is for doctors. it sends them fleeing the state in most instances because it's in an emergency situation, it's not a bright clear line. all abortions are banned in arizona. she's out in arizona a couple days after that happened. you have already hit the campaign trail. . tell me your sense and what you think the stakes are. with your very young people are leafing it all out there. >> that's it. i want to leave it on the field. i don't want to wake up on november 5th and file fooel like i could have done more. when we were talking about our kids and when you become a parent, everything changes. i feel like my values haven't changed, but is it just magnified when you're holding these two precious children. what kind of earth are they going to inherit. will my daughter be able to make choices about her own body. one candidate believes in allowing women that right to choose. the other doesn't. my kids are starting school.

but as a former teacher, it was a real reality in this country. teachers and students go to school understanding that it could be their last. it should not be that way in the united states of america. and as a parent, that is terrifying. one of the candidates believes in doing something about gun violence and understands that guns are the number one cause of death amongst young people in this country and the other one doesn't. donald trump when it came to school shootings said we should get over it. >> don't know if you have done this yet, but they sell backpacks that are bullet proof. when you see it swamps a tiny kid, you think about it guts you. being a parent right now in the face of just those three threats is a gutting experience. >> when i was a teacher, parking lot of my job was to run the lockdown drills. i had windows on both sides of my classroom.

you get the kids under their desk, get them in corners and i had to shut the blinds, but they weren't going to do anything. if somebody came to our school with one of those weapons, the blinds weren't going to do anything. and even as their teacher running that drill understanding that if this is what really the comes to pass, i can't protect these kids. now as a parent, i'll have to send my kids to school with that same fear. now it's heighted because they are my kids and you want to keep all these kids safe those are the choices in front of us. what kind of earth are our kids going to inherit, will they have more rights that be their parents or fewer. will our leaders step up and do shotgun about some is of the biggest issues facing our country or will we be drug back into the dust bins of history to this candidate who doesn't believe in science, who doesn't even believe in experts who are

telling him to do something about it. it's very scary. that's why i will continuously hit the road and make sure i can keep having these conversations. as someone who grew up in a purple county in northern michigan, having those conversations at dinner tables back home and around the country. but the other thing i i see is democrats are fired up. when i'm out campaigning, i see people who are ready to do whatever it takes to make sure that we make that right choice in november. >> i want to hear more about that. there's this distortion field around the polls, which i don't spend a lot of time on. having worked in politics, i know they can be really wrong. but what do you see that isn't showing up in polls? >> something i try to remind myself of and i adopt know if my parents are watching this, but i use my dad as a bell weather for a lot of things. a lot of us spend our days on social media or we're very tie

ed into what's going on in the news, the news of the day, we watch television. so after the state of the union, i called home because i wanted to see how things were feeling back home. i said, what did you think. he said i was working in the garage, i wasn't watching. and what were they talking about. and i get into this heated political conversation with my father and and he's a substantiate reminder that folksen aren't always watching television. folks aren't scrolling through twitter. some people are working in the garage. sol are putting dinner on the table. my dad is excited to vote for joe biden. you're probably not going to catch him answering the phone to take a poll or watching cable television. >> i had a similar interaction after the state of the union with a friend, who is center right. he said that speech was amazing. is that how he really is and

then the stuff -- he thought it was so different from his impression. i don't really know if he watches a lot of live politics, but it reenforces this thing i have been saying off the air, but it's a good thing for us to talk about. the campaign is really going to matter. every news cycle is going to matter. that's why donald trump knows being on trial for six weeks is not a great thing for him politically. what do you make or what do you see when your out there about interest in this campaign and interest in the conversation and the choices? the biden campaign has been quick to get ads on the air as soon as these rules came out. there was an ad up the next day. the campaign seems to be firing on all cylinders. >> i do want to say the campaign is on. obviously, all campaigns are building an airplane while it's taking off. but i want to dig in on something. every news cycle will matter,

but one of the other things that matters is what we do with those people in our lives. the conversations we have with them. so someone like my dad, research shows that someone you love, they are likely to vote for the candidate that you want them to if someone they love or trust asks them to. so someone like my dad, it's not going to be the tweet that ends the campaign. it's not going to be a "washington post" article. it's not going to be a mailer. some of those things work for other people. but the reason i think my parents moved in the way they did politically is because their son came out and they started paying more attention. someone that they loved asked them to make a choice. and those are the types of conversations that we need millions of americans to have. and that's the hardest political work. texting helps, phoning helps, but there's some people in your

circles who are only going to vote for joe biden if you ask them to and explain what is at stake in your personal life. that's why i talk about my family and this ring and why i talk about my kids and the future of education. that's what's at stake for me and that's what can move people. >> i hope you have a double wide stroller. i think that's exactly right. and i keep having amanda back, the woman in texas who was pregnant and named her daughter willow. she lost her pregnancy at 18 weeks and almost died of accept sis. it's a story that is real. it's a woman who very much wanted her pregnancy. it's this inconvenient wrinkle for republicans for policies on abortion because it doesn't fit into the mold. if you love a woman or you are a woman or love a woman or know a woman or have a child, you

understand what the stakes are in this election. >> it requires a lot of vulnerability. it's really hard. but for me, getting to grow up to be this person was a miracle. when i was 13 or 14 years old and sitting in my parent's basement, i would stare at my gun's cabinet and i thought that was the only way out. i would never know love or community. i thought i was the only gay person in the world. i felt like the world was telling me to pull the trigger. this election is about one candidate who looks at that kid and says i've got youren back. and another candidate who surrounds himself with people who are saying pull the trigger. that's what they believe. they do not support lgbtq people. they do not support families like mine. they are not doing anything active lu to make life better or safer for kids like my own, for families like my own and for many other people around this country. that's why i will campaign every single day if i have a babysitter for joe biden.

>> i think i'll babysit for you. let's listen to kamala harris laying out a similar message. >> to the thousands of organizers from across our nation who are joining us virtually today, i also want to thank the secretary of state and other the other leaders of the arizona state legislature, including senator bush who bravely shared her story. thank you for your incredible courage and determination. arizona, this fight is about freedom. this fight is about freedom. and the freedom that is fundamental to the promise of america, the promise of america is a promise of freedom. in america freedom is not to be

given. it's not to be bestowed. it is ours by right. and that includes the freedom to make decisions about one's own body and not is have the government telling people what to do. however, as we know, almost two years ago the highest court in our land, the court took a constitutional right that had been recognized from the people of america from the women of america, and now in states a across our country extremists have proposed and passed laws that criminalize doctors and punished women. laws that threaten trs and nurses with prison time, even for life simply for providing reproductive care. and then just this week here in

arizona, they have turned back the clock to the 1800s to take away a woman's most fundamental right. the right to make decisions about her own body. this decision by the arizona state supreme court now means women here, the women here live under one of the most extreme abortion bans in our nation. no exception for rape or incest, prison time for doctors and nurses, and abortion made illegal before most women even know they are pregnant. the overturning of roe was without any question a seismic event, and this ban here in arizona is one of the biggest aftershocks yet. and understand this law was

passed in the 1800s before arizona was even a state. before women could even vote. what has happened here in arizona is a new inflectionen point. it has demonstrated once and for all that overturning roe was just the opening act of a larger strategy to take women's rights and freedoms part of a full-on attack state by state on reproductive freedom and we must all understand who is to blame. former president donald trump did this. during his campaign in 2016 donald trump said women should be punished for seeking an abortion. don't forget that. he said women should be

punished. as president donald trump hand picked three members of the united states supreme court because he intended, intended for them to overturn roe and as he intended, they did. now because of donald trump more than 20 states in our nation have bans. now because of donald trump one in three women of reproductive age in our country live in a state that has a trump abortion ban. and let us understand the impact of the trump abortion bans. the horrific reality women face every single day now in our country because since roe was overturned, we all know the stories, and i'll tell you, i have met women who were refused care during a miscarriage.

i met a woman who went to the emergency room and was turned away repeatedly because the doctors were afraid they might be put in jail for helping her. it was only until she developed sepsis. i visited a clinic where i met with courageous professionals who see clinics like theirs forced to close denying women across our country access to essential and life-saving care. breast cancer screenings. contraceptive care. paps. donald trump is the architect of this health care crisis. and that is not a fact, by the way, that he hides. in fact, he brags about it. just this week he said that he is, quote, proudly the person

responsible for overturning roe. proudly responsible for the pain and suffering of millions of women and families. proudly responsible that he took your freedoms. and just minutes ago standing beside speaker johnson donald trump just said the collection of state bans is, quote, working the way it is supposed to. and as much harm as he has already caused, a second trump term would be even worse. donald trump's friends in the united states congress are trying to pass a national ban, and understand, a national ban would outlaw abortion in every state, even states like new york and california.

and now trump wants us to believe he will not sign a national ban. enough with the gaslighting. enough with the gaslighting. we all know if donald trump gets the chance, he will sign a national abortion ban. and how do we know? just look at his record. just look at the facts. y'all know i'm a former prosecutor. just look at the facts. congress tried to pass a national abortion ban in 2017 and be the then president, trump, endorsed it. and promised to sign it if it got on his desk. well, the great maya angelou says when someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. donald trump has told us who he

is and notice that team trump have an additional plan to attack reproductive freedom, a plan that they intend to implement on day one, even without congress. they want to use another law from the 1800s. it's called the comstock law to ban medicines across all 50 states no matter if it's currently legal or not. so here's what a second trump term looks like. more bans, more suffering and less freedom, just like he did in arizona, he basically wants to take america back to the 1800s. but, we are not going to let that happen.

because here's the deal, this is 2024, not the 1800s, and we're not going back. we are not going back. joe biden and i -- >> we've been watching vice president kamala harris in tucson, arizona, blasting that harsh civil war abortion and blaming donald trump for it. joining us is the president and ceo of the planned parenthood action fund, alexis magill. alexis, your thoughts. the this is the vice president doing what she does best. >> what she does best, which is articulate the truth, right? when she said this is a trump abortion ban, she said make no mistake, trump did this, stop trying to gaslight us, it was clear, first of all, not only was she really speaking truth to the understanding of what we

know has been happening over the last few days watching the trump campaign and the former president himself try to shift blame off of the fact that he is the one who has created this crisis, he is the one who has taken responsibility for not just the supreme court justices who overturned roe v. wade but now the state supreme court in arizona. she laid the blame squarely where it needs to be, and i know -- i know she wrote that herself. i know -- you could feel that coming authentically from what she believes and understands from all of the conversations that she has had across this country. she has been traveling state by state talking to patients, talking to providers, talking to folks and bringing folks out like amanda zorasky who is bravely telling her own story along with her husband. i think she just nailed it and helped make it plain for the

american people why we are here in this moment and how we need not be, right? and how we fight back. i was really -- i thought it was a great opening. >> she also had a great retelling of what trump did today, doubling down on his position that this is all okay, that the states have the right to do their thing. this is what the state of arizona did. alexis mcgill johnson, thank you. thanks to all of you for letting us into your homes. we are so grateful. coming up next around here, ari melber with a special edition of the beat, new york versus donald trump previewing the start of the trump hush money criminal trials coming up after a very short break. stay with us. higher shipping rates may be “the cost of doing business...” but at what cost?

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